|WikiProject United States / Ohio||(Rated Template-class)|
- 1 Untitled
- 2 Added Parma
- 3 Removing Parma and Youngstown
- 4 U.S. state templates
- 5 Harmonizing Template:Ohio
- 6 Cities vs. Metropolitan areas
- 7 Standardization of state templates
- 8 Added Euclid
- 9 Ohio cities with a population of 50,000 or more must be included in Template:Ohio
- 10 Add Link To Ohio Portal
- 11 Large city: Youngstown. Metro: Youngstown-WARREN
I removed Springfield and Middletown from the list of largest cities, because according to the 2000 Census , they are respectively the 11th and 22nd largest jurisdictions in the State. - EurekaLott 21:41, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Maybe, then, we'd want to replace the section marked "Townships and villages" with one for smaller cities such as Springfield (and perhaps Middletown as well). Villages are, without a current exception to my recollection, jurisdictions with less than 5,000 people, and the most populous of Ohio's townships has a population of less than 45,000 (Anderson Township in Hamilton County has a population of 43,857). -- SwissCelt 23:05, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
- By comparison, Springfield (pop. 64,132, 2002 est.) has a greater population, as do 22 other cities in Ohio. I'm thinking of classifying Ohio's cities with greater than 50,000 people (but not included in the seven "largest cities") in a section marked "smaller cities"; this would include both Springfield and Middletown. Unfortunately, it would not include Cleveland Heights, Cuyahoga Falls, Warren, and Newark, each of which are larger (more populous) than Ohio's largest township, but have less than 50,000 people in each. -- SwissCelt 23:05, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
...to the "Largest cities" section. Technically, Parma is more populous now than Youngstown. -- SwissCelt 13:00, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
I think it would be best if we only list the top five largest cities after Columbus. These would be Cleveland, Cincinnati, Toledo, Akron, and Dayton. When we begin listing suburbs such as Parma, then I think we're getting away from the point of listing the largest cities. Anything smaller than Dayton, in my opinion, should not be listed. -- Clevelander 22:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps we should therefore take a hint from Template:California and Template:Pennsylvania, and list metropolitan areas instead? There's no reason why a state of this size should list only six cities, especially when doing so effectively ignores the half million people in the Youngstown- Warren metropolitan area. -- SwissCelt 14:25, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
- It's probably misleading to have a section called "metropolitan areas" with links to articles about municipalities. I like your earlier smaller cities idea better, though the criteria will have to be strictly enforced to prevent listcruft. IMO, the section that needs more attention is the "regions" one. It mostly includes links to articles about the state's physical geography, not its human geography, and articles like Miami Valley have been omitted. - EurekaLott 14:48, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
- This is the format used by other state templates, particularly larger ones where listing every significant city would be impractical. Over time, the municipalities can be replaced by articles on the metro areas (once those articles are created, of course). However, leaving it the way it is certainly is not fine! We've been steadily reducing the number of municipalities on the template, to the point that, of the state templates, only Template:Hawaii and Template:West Virginia now have fewer cities listed. ( Template:South Carolina lists no cities whatsoever.) This is unconscionable, especially for the 7th largest (by population) state in the nation. The average reader will think that nearly everyone in the state lives in the "3 C's", which belies a rather intense controversy in the state over state funding and other issues associated with "the Other Ohio".  -- SwissCelt 18:17, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates lists and displays all 50 U.S. state (and additional other) templates. It potentially can be used for ideas and standardization. // MrD9 07:19, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Harmonizing of this template has been completed. 00:38 PST, 23 March, 2006, User:BigBang11 (UTC)
Clevelander makes a good point on my talk page: "It seems redundant to list [metropolitan areas] when the areas of Greater Cincinnati and Greater Cleveland are listed above [in the Regions section]." Me, I think the Regions section was more intended for historical and/or geographical regions, but I think I've done enough unilateral editing to this template for now. (Perhaps more than enough, to be self-honest.) We really need to determine what sections should be in this template, and by what criteria we list those sections.
For example, counties seems an obvious one; but then, there is precedent for including only a link to the list of counties (see Template:Texas). My thought in using metro areas is that this is verifiable; the US Census officially designates only a handful of places in Ohio as metro areas, thus saving us the problem of listcruft to which EurekaLott refers. We need concise criteria for regions, if indeed we decide to include them. Whatever we decide, it should fit the overall schematic of the other state templates, yet be appropriate for a state such as Ohio. Thoughts? -- SwissCelt 19:15, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Before we discuss what sections ought to stay and go, I believe that the solution to the Ohio template cities vs. metropolitan area dilemma could be solved with a simple vote. Personally, Iliked the way this template was setup earlier, listing the state's six largest cities (two of them, Akron and Toldeo are part of the "other Ohio"). I wouldn't say that we've been steadily reducing the number of municipalities just because Parma (a suburb of Cleveland) and Youngstown were removed the list. Dayton is the smallest of the six largest cities in Ohio, with a population of 166,179, less than Parma's 85,655 (a number that is continually decreasing). -- Clevelander 19:35, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
- The MSA definitions do provide a clear divider, and the current setup could work, I think. I just moved things around a little bit, to see if it would work - feel free to change it again if you think it doesn't. I think we should be able to reach consensus on this, and avoid having to take a vote. By the way, does anybody else think we could do without the county name origins page in the template? - EurekaLott 19:51, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. It looks a bit out of place. I think that having an article on county names isn't necessary because each origin is already mentioned on each individual county page. -- Clevelander 19:57, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, the county name origins link is a bit over the top. The List of Ohio county name etymologies is a great article, but for the purposes of a state template it seems redundant to include both this list and the List of counties in Ohio. Actually, I don't see why those two lists can't be merged, but that's fodder for another discussion on another talk page. -- SwissCelt 20:18, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
- Okay. It's gone. - EurekaLott 20:22, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
There is currently an ongoing discussion regarding standardization of state templates (primarily regarding layout and styling) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates. An effort was made earlier this year to standardize Canadian province templates (which mostly succeeded). Lovelac7 and I have already begun standardizing all state templates. If you have any concerns, they should be directed toward the discussion page for state template standardization. Thanks! — Webdinger BLAH | SZ 22:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I added Euclid to the list of Largest cities because Euclid has a population over 50,000. All cities in Ohio with a population over 50,000 are included in Template:Ohio.-- Ohioan 09:32, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Ohio cities with a population of 50,000 or more must be included in Template:Ohio
I removed Euclid from the list of largest cities in Ohio because its population fell below 50,000 at the 2006 census update. Its population as of 2006 is 48,717. -- OHWiki 13:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Could someone add a link to Ohio's Portal in the template?
The city of Youngstown is one of the larger cities in Ohio. Its inclusion on the list of largest cities is good.
However, the metro it is part of cannot be, and locally is almost never, referred to as simply "Youngstown." The metropolitan area includes four counties, one in Pennsylvania, and covers a large area. 13 miles from Youngstown is the city of Warren, the second largest city in the area, with about 50,000 residents to Youngstown's about 75,000. The people from Warren and its surrounding communities feel little connection to the "Youngstown" label. If the entire metro is ever being discussed, it is just about always referred to as "Youngstown-Warren" if not "The Mahoning Valley" which is even better encompassing.
It's like Minneapolis-St. Paul. Maybe sometimes in extreme shorthand, "Youngstown" is acceptable just as "Minneapolis" is, but on lists and whatnot, both sister cities must be included.
Let's make the distinction, change the metro on the large metro list to "Youngstown-Warren," and not change it back. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 ( talk) 17:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)