Talk:Hawaii Article

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Former good article nomineeHawaii was a Geography and places good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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June 21, 2006 Featured article candidateNot promoted
September 7, 2010 Good article nomineeNot listed
Current status: Former good article nominee

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Hawaii size

All countries and territories have their size defined by the total of their land mass. For Hawaii, the data here is including water area, which is incorrect.

"Hawaii is a chain of 132 islands, eight of which are considered principal islands. These include Hawaii (4028 square miles), Maui (727 square miles), Oahu (597 square miles), Kauai (562 square miles), Molokai (260 square miles), Lanai (140 square miles), Niihau (69 square miles), and Kahoolawe (45 square miles)."

Total: 6,423 square miles = 16,635 square kilometers — Preceding unsigned comment added by ( talk) 00:52, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Request consensus to edit Jones Act section

The paragraph, under the Cost of Living heading, regarding the affects of the Jones Act on Hawaii is incorrect and not supported by the refernces. Specifically, the analysis contained in the paragraph argues that a foreign vessel from Asia cannot stop first in Hawaii land goods and then proceed to the U.S. west coast. This is an incorrect interpretation of the Jones Act. In actuality the Jones Act only prohibits goods, originating in Hawaii, from being transported to the U.S. west coast on foreign owned, flagged or built vessels (or vice versa). See the following for a good explanation of what the Jones Act actually prohibits or doesn't prohibit:

The sentences that needs change are: "This trade regulation prohibits any foreign-flagged ships from carrying cargo between two American ports—a practice known as cabotage. Most consumer goods in the United States are manufactured by outsourced labor in East Asia, then transported by container ships to ports on the U.S. mainland, and Hawaii also receives the same goods."

Further the rest of the paragraph is NPOV and an opinion, not supported adequately by references, and at least two that do exist are dead. This whole section should be edited to be NPOV. I suggest the following in substitute:

"Cost of living in Hawaii can be high relative to many other locations located on the U.S. mainland. Contributing to the relativity higher cost of living includes shipping goods across an ocean, which may further be compounded by the requirements of the Jones Act. The Jones Act generally prohibits a foreign built, owned, crewed, or flagged vessels from transporting goods between places within the U.S. including the U.S. west coast and Hawaii. Jones Act compliant vessels are generally more expensiveness to build and operate than are many foreign equivalents which can drive up shipping costs. While the Jones Act does not prohibit transportation of goods to Hawaii from Asia on non-Jones Act qualified vessels that will then proceed to the U.S. west coast, this type of trade is nonetheless not common primarily do to economic reasons. Therefore, Hawaii relies on receiving most inbound goods on Jones Act qualified vessels originating from the U.S. west coast which likely contributes to the increased cost of some consumer goods and therefore the overall cost of living."

Update: made changes using above paragraph to make Jones Act section NPOV, corrected nonfactual statements (i.e. foreign ships from Asian cannot stop in Hawaii en route to U.S. west coast-Jones Act does not prohibit this in any way), and updated citation (Bloomberg Article link is dead and updated with another link that correctly discusses what can and cannot be done vis-a-vis the Jones Act). — Preceding unsigned comment added by WJF3 ( talkcontribs) 01:08, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2018

Please change "The state's coastline is about 750 miles (1,210 km) long..." To "The state's OCEANIC coastline is about 750 miles (1,210 km) long..."

The point being, that the state of Michigan has the country's 2nd longest coastline at 3,288 mi. (of any type, ocean or freshwater), second only to Alaska.,4669,7-192-26847-103397--,00.html The reason why the article is misleading is because Michigan's "coastline" is over four times longer than Hawaii's, the difference being that it is freshwater coastline.

This may prompt changes to the coastlines of all the states; because one can have rankings for freshwater, ocean, or both. ( talk) 03:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

 Done L293D (  •  ) 12:26, 3 August 2018 (UTC)


The two templates in the politics section make it unreadable. Suggest clear mode for the templates, putting them above or below the section text. = Inowen ( nlfte) 03:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)