Talk:Amitabh Bachchan Information

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Is this a joke?

Is this some sort of a joke that information from Amitabh Bachchan filmography is being blatantly copied right onto this article? Have you heard of plagiarism? Also, this is exactly the purpose of a daughter article, to provide information other than what appears on this article, which should be in the career section. Shahid Talk2me 09:39, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Your concern is that copying within Wikipedia is not allowed? I understand that. Copying is allowed within Wikipedia as long as attribution is made: see WP:COPYWITHIN. When I merged in material from Amitabh Bachchan filmography I made an appropriate link in the edit summary: [1]. This follows the guidance in Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia :"Copying and translating information from a Wikimedia project other than the English Wikipedia is usually possible, since all Wikimedia projects use the same or compatible licensing for most of their content. The edit summary should provide either a link to the original source or a list of all contributors." If you feel that such attribution is not enough, we can put a template on the talkpage. SilkTork ( talk) 09:52, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
We can use this template: {{Copied|from=|from_oldid=|to=|to_diff=}}. Would that then allay your concerns? SilkTork ( talk) 09:58, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
This is a clear misrepresentation of the guideline because it clearly says "Copying and translating information from a Wikimedia project other than the English Wikipedia is usually possible". Secondly, as I said, the idea of a the filmography page is to include information not included in Amitabh Bachchan. And everything you've copid should be within the article itself in the career section - see how it's done in featured articles of the sort. Shahid Talk2me 10:14, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Ha. My bad, I copied the wrong text! Here's the nutshell from the guideline: "This page in a nutshell: When copying content from one article to another, at a minimum provide a link back to the source page in the edit summary at the destination page and state that content was copied from that source. If substantial, consider posting a note on both talk pages". So, I did the part that says "provide a link back to the source page in the edit summary at the destination page and state that content was copied from that source". So where we are at is if we should now do the "If substantial, consider posting a note on both talk pages" bit. There are templates we can use for that. I assume from your comments that you feel it would be appropriate to use those templates on the talkpages of both articles. Shall we do that? SilkTork ( talk) 10:25, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
As regards not having a filmography section. Well, most articles have such things. It is awkward here because Bachchan made so many films. There really isn't space to include them all. Sometimes editors chose to make a selection of the more important films, but I am not an expert on this topic so I couldn't do that. When I looked at the filmography I saw that a selection had already been made, along with explanations for why those films had been chosen. This seemed like a good solution, so I merged that information into this article, with some minor editing. SilkTork ( talk) 10:30, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
No, we're in disagreement here, the link to the filmography page should be provided without the text, which is merely a lead summary of the filmography table. If you need to copy, it just means the article of Bachchan is very lacking in information, because the text you've copied is a a summary of what should be in the career section. We can have an RfC on it if you like; I have no doubt WP editors will not approve of it. Shahid Talk2me 10:32, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
( edit conflict) Wouldn't it be a good idea to also cut down on the "Career" section of this article, which includes a lot of names of the different movies he has appeared in, and duplicates much of the filmography info? In general, I think it is a bad idea to list too many movie titles in the running text, when the movies are not specifically important – that's what the filmography table is there for after all. (It is a very common thing in articles about actors, where every single movie they have been in is added to the Career section, sometimes with lots of detail about things like other actors appearing in the film, which just serves to overload the text.) -- bonadea contributions talk 10:36, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

A filmography section with just a link is acceptable. Though the filmography section should be placed conventionally below the career sections as that is where people expect to find it. But there is still the possibility of having something more than just a link; some Featured Articles have a little more detail, such as Richard_Wagner#Works, William_Shakespeare#Works, and some Good Articles arrange long lists into columns, such as Alfred_Hitchcock#Filmography. There isn't a rule against attempting to provide the reader with information within the Works/Filmography section, unless the information becomes so large it unbalances the article. I'm OK with a RfC. That seems a good idea. SilkTork ( talk) 10:42, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

RfC on a Filmography in this article

Should there be a Filmography in this article on Amitabh Bachchan? And if so, what form should the Filmography take:

  1. a link to Amitabh Bachchan filmography, and nothing else;
  2. a list of all his films, sorted into columns;
  3. a selection of his most important/notable films with no commentary;
  4. a selection of his most important/notable films with commentary;
  5. something else.

Currently the article has 4) a selection of his most important/notable films with commentary, but this is felt to be inappropriate because it repeats the lead section from Amitabh Bachchan filmography. SilkTork ( talk) 10:53, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

  • I feel there should be a filmography section. My preference, given the amount of films Bachchan has made, is to have a selection of his films with some sort of informed and sourced commentary to indicate why those films have been selected. This could be done either the way it is now, or just with a link to the filmography which has the same information in the lead, and then gives the list of all his films. The advantage of having the selection and commentary here is that readers then don't need to go to another page to read that information, they only need to go to the filmography page if they want more detail about his films. What can be kept here to helpfully inform readers with the least inconvenience seems to me to be the Wikipedia way. SilkTork ( talk) 10:58, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
1) - nothing else is needed. The text is redundant as it should already be included in the career section and right now it's a direct word-for-word copy of the filmography daughter page. Remove the text, which adds nothing new, and that's it. We should work to make the career section substantial enough to not have it repeated later again. The lead should be a summary of his life and career. Shahid Talk2me 11:05, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Oppose addition The filmography already has its own article. The precedent is just to include a link. ~ HAL 333 23:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion here, but to your point, there is also precedent to include some details. Ex: at the FA Katharine Hepburn#Filmography and theatre credits. The amount of prose currently in Bachchan's filmography section is needlessly long, repeats content found elsewhere, which I noted before even seeing that Shahid had also mentioned it. The Filmfare wins, for example, are found in various places. But a sentence or two very broadly summarising number of films, genres, maybe languages, doesn't seem crazy to me. I do caution anyone interested in a list that any list will be a cruft magnet. Invariably, people don't see their favourite film or films on the list and will add them. Whatever is decided, the criteria for a film to be added to such a list should be pretty clear, like that it won a major award, and no, that doesn't mean the Dada Saheb Phalke Film Festival Award or some other nonsense. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 00:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  • 1 No need to repeat it here when a link will suffice ` Spudlace ( talk) 21:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
  • 1 or 5 If there's any text, a very short blurb - how long have they been acting, what language/film industry, awards covered below, so nothing here. But basically, it's all about the link. Ravensfire ( talk) 21:50, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Further reading

Moving a list of texts from the article to here. These texts do not appear to directly relate to the subject matter of the article, and are not used to support information in the article. Some may be useful in support of the Cinema of India article. I am placing them here in case there are some texts which others do think would be genuinely helpful to the general reader to gain a further understanding of Bachchan, or which may be useful for the Cinema of India article. SilkTork ( talk) 09:48, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

good article status

He is a famous big icon in India can someone shape up this article and bring to good article status. Kindly take authority. Dominicoz ( talk) 16:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)